Growling!

Rokai wrote:

MetalNiller wrote:

Rokai wrote:

MetalNiller wrote:

Rokai wrote:

I think I've already said it but okay.

They sound stupid, especially in music. And it doesn't take much skill, it's like giving the bored singer something to do.

If you cut away all growling (and aggresive vocals), then you have reduced Heavy Metal by almost 50%!

If you say you like Heavy Metal, then you like growling vocals to!

This one. Heavy Metal isn't about growling. Death Metal is.

Hmmm, I would agree on that... But still Death Metal is a part of Heavy Metal, right?

No, Heavy Metal and Death Metal are both a genre in metal. They haven't got much relation. Brothers, you might say.

Uh no Rokai, you may wanna do the research. Heavy Metal and Metal are the same thing. It started off as Heavy Metal and was later reduced to Metal but it's still Heavy Metal.

Now Death Metal IS a part of Heavy Metal! As is black metal, as are all types of growling/screaming genres.

Anyway, I'd say screaming and growling take up 40-50% of Metal!

Metallhead123 wrote:

Rokai wrote:

MetalNiller wrote:

Rokai wrote:

MetalNiller wrote:

Rokai wrote:

I think I've already said it but okay.

They sound stupid, especially in music. And it doesn't take much skill, it's like giving the bored singer something to do.

If you cut away all growling (and aggresive vocals), then you have reduced Heavy Metal by almost 50%!

If you say you like Heavy Metal, then you like growling vocals to!

This one. Heavy Metal isn't about growling. Death Metal is.

Hmmm, I would agree on that... But still Death Metal is a part of Heavy Metal, right?

No, Heavy Metal and Death Metal are both a genre in metal. They haven't got much relation. Brothers, you might say.

Uh no Rokai, you may wanna do the research. Heavy Metal and Metal are the same thing. It started off as Metal and was later reduced to Metal but it's still Heavy Metal.

Now Death Metal IS a part of Heavy Metal! As is black metal, as are all types of growling/screaming genres.

Anyway, I'd say screaming and growling take up 40-50% of Metal!

You are my man, Metalhead
I totally agree with you

Alright, genre sublesson here.

The original metal is classified as Classic/Heavy Metal, which was founded on the base of blues-laden hard rock.
As it progressed, you have the more speedy melodic NWOBHM bands like Iron Maiden and Saxon, alongside then, harder forms of progressive rock took a foothold. At the tide of the 80s, you get thrash metal, which is an empowerment of classic metal mixed with some of the typical...punkish attitude founded during the 70s. Behind the mainstream thrash, there was the first wave of black metal, founded by Bathory, and of course, Celtic Frost, which also popularized avant-garde metal.
At the later turn of the 80s you get Metal's worst face, GLAM (Gay Los Angeles metal). Mid 80s however, you start seeing the rise of power metal bands like Helloween.
Death Metal took its tide in the very late 80s with its greatest influences being Slayer, bands like Morbid Angel, Deicide, and especially DEATH, popularized a doomish approach to metal, and it was called Death Metal.

The original "Growler" I must say has to be Quorthon of Bathory in 1983, who released the first "black" metal album reorded by a 4-track recording tool, and released it. The quality was so poor, and the riffs brooding and dark, and the vocals, unlike anyone has EVER heard. BATHORY was the 80s to me, Bathory was the greatest thing to happen to metal in my opinion. Not only did Bathory influence the creation of the notorious second wave of black metal, but Bathory also gave rise to the iconic Viking Metal, alongside bands such as ManOwaR.


Metal is so diverse, naturally a subgenre has to be created for every experimental thing.
The 90s were the prime period for metal. It was the 90s that you start to see experimentation take extreme hold.
First of which is the notorious Norwegian Black Metal scene, with Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, and Immortal.
Around the same time you see progressive stuff give rise, with Dream Theater taking a foothold with "Images and Words" in 1992, and Opeth's avant-garde black/progressive/death release "Orchid" in 1995.
Bands like In Flames and At the Gates popularized a melodic approach to death metal, and Swedish former-death metallers Therion began inventing the sound of symphonic metal around this period.
It gets better! At the very late 90s, we get folk metal coming from Finland with the help of a couple of drunk guys who decided to make a band that sung about trolls!

It is all METAL though, but it's so hard to just classify it into one sound, especially today, when there are over 35 sub-genres of metal total!
As for that comment Alex, growling doesn't take 40-50% of metal.
It takes about 80% of the talented, underrated, non-mainstream ones.

^ If you mean Finntroll, they got their name because they sung in Swedish, and said it sounded "damn trollish". But close enough. Borderline TL;DR, though.

Metallhead123 wrote:

Rokai wrote:

MetalNiller wrote:

Rokai wrote:

MetalNiller wrote:

Rokai wrote:

I think I've already said it but okay.

They sound stupid, especially in music. And it doesn't take much skill, it's like giving the bored singer something to do.

If you cut away all growling (and aggresive vocals), then you have reduced Heavy Metal by almost 50%!

If you say you like Heavy Metal, then you like growling vocals to!

This one. Heavy Metal isn't about growling. Death Metal is.

Hmmm, I would agree on that... But still Death Metal is a part of Heavy Metal, right?

No, Heavy Metal and Death Metal are both a genre in metal. They haven't got much relation. Brothers, you might say.

Uh no Rokai, you may wanna do the research. Heavy Metal and Metal are the same thing. It started off as Heavy Metal and was later reduced to Metal but it's still Heavy Metal.

Now Death Metal IS a part of Heavy Metal! As is black metal, as are all types of growling/screaming genres.

Anyway, I'd say screaming and growling take up 40-50% of Metal!

Surprisingly, you're right. But it's pretty stupid then, since some bands are simply Heavy Metal and other bands are in a sub-genre of heavy metal but they sound nothing like it. Lame.

Still, I hate death metal.

WinterSon wrote:

Alright, genre sublesson here.

The original metal is classified as Classic/Heavy Metal, which was founded on the base of blues-laden hard rock.
As it progressed, you have the more speedy melodic NWOBHM bands like Iron Maiden and Saxon, alongside then, harder forms of progressive rock took a foothold. At the tide of the 80s, you get thrash metal, which is an empowerment of classic metal mixed with some of the typical...punkish attitude founded during the 70s. Behind the mainstream thrash, there was the first wave of black metal, founded by Bathory, and of course, Celtic Frost, which also popularized avant-garde metal.
At the later turn of the 80s you get Metal's worst face, GLAM (Gay Los Angeles metal). Mid 80s however, you start seeing the rise of power metal bands like Helloween.
Death Metal took its tide in the very late 80s with its greatest influences being Slayer, bands like Morbid Angel, Deicide, and especially DEATH, popularized a doomish approach to metal, and it was called Death Metal.

The original "Growler" I must say has to be Quorthon of Bathory in 1983, who released the first "black" metal album reorded by a 4-track recording tool, and released it. The quality was so poor, and the riffs brooding and dark, and the vocals, unlike anyone has EVER heard. BATHORY was the 80s to me, Bathory was the greatest thing to happen to metal in my opinion. Not only did Bathory influence the creation of the notorious second wave of black metal, but Bathory also gave rise to the iconic Viking Metal, alongside bands such as ManOwaR.


Metal is so diverse, naturally a subgenre has to be created for every experimental thing.
The 90s were the prime period for metal. It was the 90s that you start to see experimentation take extreme hold.
First of which is the notorious Norwegian Black Metal scene, with Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, and Immortal.
Around the same time you see progressive stuff give rise, with Dream Theater taking a foothold with "Images and Words" in 1992, and Opeth's avant-garde black/progressive/death release "Orchid" in 1995.
Bands like In Flames and At the Gates popularized a melodic approach to death metal, and Swedish former-death metallers Therion began inventing the sound of symphonic metal around this period.
It gets better! At the very late 90s, we get folk metal coming from Finland with the help of a couple of drunk guys who decided to make a band that sung about trolls!

It is all METAL though, but it's so hard to just classify it into one sound, especially today, when there are over 35 sub-genres of metal total!
As for that comment Alex, growling doesn't take 40-50% of metal.
It takes about 80% of the talented, underrated, non-mainstream ones.

Thx for sorting things out WinterSon (cool name, btw!)

Classic Heavy Metal are some of the very first Metalbands who emerged! (:

WinterSon wrote:

Alright, genre sublesson here.

The original metal is classified as Classic/Heavy Metal, which was founded on the base of blues-laden hard rock.
As it progressed, you have the more speedy melodic NWOBHM bands like Iron Maiden and Saxon, alongside then, harder forms of progressive rock took a foothold. At the tide of the 80s, you get thrash metal, which is an empowerment of classic metal mixed with some of the typical...punkish attitude founded during the 70s. Behind the mainstream thrash, there was the first wave of black metal, founded by Bathory, and of course, Celtic Frost, which also popularized avant-garde metal.
At the later turn of the 80s you get Metal's worst face, GLAM (Gay Los Angeles metal). Mid 80s however, you start seeing the rise of power metal bands like Helloween.
Death Metal took its tide in the very late 80s with its greatest influences being Slayer, bands like Morbid Angel, Deicide, and especially DEATH, popularized a doomish approach to metal, and it was called Death Metal.

The original "Growler" I must say has to be Quorthon of Bathory in 1983, who released the first "black" metal album reorded by a 4-track recording tool, and released it. The quality was so poor, and the riffs brooding and dark, and the vocals, unlike anyone has EVER heard. BATHORY was the 80s to me, Bathory was the greatest thing to happen to metal in my opinion. Not only did Bathory influence the creation of the notorious second wave of black metal, but Bathory also gave rise to the iconic Viking Metal, alongside bands such as ManOwaR.


Metal is so diverse, naturally a subgenre has to be created for every experimental thing.
The 90s were the prime period for metal. It was the 90s that you start to see experimentation take extreme hold.
First of which is the notorious Norwegian Black Metal scene, with Mayhem, Burzum, Darkthrone, and Immortal.
Around the same time you see progressive stuff give rise, with Dream Theater taking a foothold with "Images and Words" in 1992, and Opeth's avant-garde black/progressive/death release "Orchid" in 1995.
Bands like In Flames and At the Gates popularized a melodic approach to death metal, and Swedish former-death metallers Therion began inventing the sound of symphonic metal around this period.
It gets better! At the very late 90s, we get folk metal coming from Finland with the help of a couple of drunk guys who decided to make a band that sung about trolls!

It is all METAL though, but it's so hard to just classify it into one sound, especially today, when there are over 35 sub-genres of metal total!
As for that comment Alex, growling doesn't take 40-50% of metal.
It takes about 80% of the talented, underrated, non-mainstream ones.

thats awesome!! thanks for all this info, i always wanted to learn how metal begun

First of all i want to thank Winterson about his info ! As about grownling, it is true that many bands overdo it but i really like some death metal songs

my first post

anyway; i agree with what someone said earlier about growls being an acquired taste, i used to hate them, but now i can deal with them - i love Equilibrium's music, and they growl and scream like hell :p

but this doesn't mean i like death/black metal

I don't like growling at all because it doesn't give me any special or unique feelings, because i can't make out crap.

Death Metal being my second favourite kind of metal, I quite like growled vocals myself, but I must disagree with something in the OP.

http://www.myspace.com/desultorsweden

This proves death metal sounds AWESOME with clean vocals.

I think the reason people don't usually like growling is because they initially like hearing the lyrics perfectly. It took me a long time to get into growls, and sometimes when I hear very deep growls, I simply can't enjoy it.
At first, I thought growls gave metal a more "evil" feel, but now it mostly sounds like a musical tool to me that anything else. When I first heard Wintersun, it was an adventure for me. They already seemed like a "darker" band to me, but the black metal-like vocals made it seem even more dark, and I enjoyed it in a strange way. After that, I got into Death's first album pretty fast, and haven't slowed down since.

to me growling means agression and thats the main reason why i used to listen to metalcore.the growling technique along with the lyrics create a great effect/atmosphere you could say.

I NEVER used to like anything without clean vocals, however things have changed. I listen to quite a few 'growly' bands now as long as the music makes it worth while, such as Amon Amarth, Eluviete, Ensiferum, Kivumitsan Druidi and Heathen Foray.

WinterSon wrote:

We see the 4 non-drummers of Amon Amarth headbanging in synchronicity.
All of a sudden Lundström unleashes a steady galloping assault on his bass, Söderberg and Mikkonen unleash their double flurries of droning guitars, burning away flags and buildings with the power of the sound, all awaits Johan Hegg, to bring out the mighty bellows of Odin.
All of a sudden he unleashes a high falsetto and the crowd goes away.
Oh boy, Amon Amarth just lost FANS!

I just died a little bit inside imagining the glorious Johan Hegg singing like Miley Cyrus.